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steve bell talks about the debt ceiling. then, the mission and scope of the bureau of all, tobacco, firearms, explosives. "washington journal," live at 7:00 a.m. eastern on c-span. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2013] >> next, "q&a." then, david -- david cameron takes questions at the house of commons. then a discussion on the guantanamo detention facility. >> the fundamental idea here is if you spend time in silicon valley, if you spend time in detroit, where the automobile industry is being rebuilt, if you spent time outside the beltway, you see that america has the potential to generate abundance for its own citizens and for the world. you spend time only inside the beltway, it looks like a zero sum game. it looks like a lose-lose. who will lose the most is the gist is the -- gist of the negotiation. water the lessons of the technology sector? what are the lessons that have come from the optimism in the technology sector? how can they give us some
steve bell talks about the debt ceiling. then, the mission and scope of the bureau of all, tobacco, firearms, explosives. "washington journal," live at 7:00 a.m. eastern on c-span. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2013] >> next, "q&a." then, david -- david cameron takes questions at the house of commons. then a discussion on the guantanamo detention facility. >> the fundamental idea...
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ceiling i mean there's absolutely no reason why there should be a specified ceiling to the federal debt congress imposes that on itself and then having imposed it has to vote to lift it which it inevitably must so this is a pretty awesome fishel crisis a purely political crisis if you look away from the politics of washington at the u.s. economy it is unquestionably in recovery mode and what's most exciting about it right now is the way the discovery of shale gas in the exploitation of shale oil is ushering in a new era in which the united states will become energy independent for the first time in two generations i think that's going to be the cue for a written a song for the american manufacturing and the world is going to be pretty surprised by what the united states does economically over the next ten years which by the way has big implications for russia to. ten years ago if you were running gazprom you never thought for a minute that you would find yourself being on the cards by north america but that's what's happening bad implications for russia and i think that's one thing that
ceiling i mean there's absolutely no reason why there should be a specified ceiling to the federal debt congress imposes that on itself and then having imposed it has to vote to lift it which it inevitably must so this is a pretty awesome fishel crisis a purely political crisis if you look away from the politics of washington at the u.s. economy it is unquestionably in recovery mode and what's most exciting about it right now is the way the discovery of shale gas in the exploitation of shale...
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but not until you take care of the debt ceiling and get that off the table. that was the president's principal message today and he got a lot of conversation about why not negotiate. he said he's to the going to. we'll leave it there at least for the time being. >> rose: what will the republicans do, will they shut down the government. >> no, not over the debt ceiling. they may over the continuing resolution this is not their best vehicle. my guess is what they will probably have to do is give him a short-term extension. and then see if the senate will go along. they being of course the house republicans and just try to prolong this fight for a while. they don't want to have-- not shutting down the government is really spooking the credit markets and everything that major talked about a moment ago. and how the president would handle short-term extension is another matter. i think that would back him into a corner. he also ran into a problem because both in response to major and in response to julianna goldman he said i'm not going to negotiate over this. if t
but not until you take care of the debt ceiling and get that off the table. that was the president's principal message today and he got a lot of conversation about why not negotiate. he said he's to the going to. we'll leave it there at least for the time being. >> rose: what will the republicans do, will they shut down the government. >> no, not over the debt ceiling. they may over the continuing resolution this is not their best vehicle. my guess is what they will probably have to...
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>> it's pretty hard on this one, charlie because he's right on the debt ceiling. major history absolutely dead on. but the debt sealing is a fraud. a total fraud. shouldn't exist. people from alan greenspan to tim geithner to anyone who has looked at it, to paul krugman say it is a total fraud. it's a political device. so on that he's right. and on the substance, right now i think that obama, he may not have articulated as well as quo have but i think he has clearly indicated that if you are looking for more deficit reduction, a bigger deal, not a big deal, he's willing to go pretty far for a democrat on entitlements. right now republicans-- . >> rose: how do you know that? >> well, i think he said he's willing to do that. he has put on the table in private conversations that they had in december, he was perfectly willing to go along with the change in the change for social security, he indicated strongly that he would look at some kind of means testing for affluent medicare recipients. those aren't little things. they are not as much as some people want. but the
>> it's pretty hard on this one, charlie because he's right on the debt ceiling. major history absolutely dead on. but the debt sealing is a fraud. a total fraud. shouldn't exist. people from alan greenspan to tim geithner to anyone who has looked at it, to paul krugman say it is a total fraud. it's a political device. so on that he's right. and on the substance, right now i think that obama, he may not have articulated as well as quo have but i think he has clearly indicated that if you...
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let us raise the debt ceiling. no strings attached. and if the president can raise it as he should be able to and if congress wants to reject it 2/3. the mcconnell proposal is a good republican proposal. i hope you support it. that's the way to go. >> let me ask you a question. a bill that says regardless of what happens the debt ceiling, that the united states will never default on the debt. would you support that or not? >> i support the concept. i'd have to look at the bill. the best way to do that is the mcconnell act. >> we may have just made news. >>> last week, general colin powell was here worried about a dark vein of intolerance in republican parties in some quarters. you are part of a stream of new faces in the republican party, minority faces and voices in the party that seem to stand against that. how did you respond to it? >> well, i saw that interview. i respect general powell a great deal. i was disappointed with those comments. i think he was buying into some of the partisan attacks. if you look at this last election, f
let us raise the debt ceiling. no strings attached. and if the president can raise it as he should be able to and if congress wants to reject it 2/3. the mcconnell proposal is a good republican proposal. i hope you support it. that's the way to go. >> let me ask you a question. a bill that says regardless of what happens the debt ceiling, that the united states will never default on the debt. would you support that or not? >> i support the concept. i'd have to look at the bill. the...
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money, we've got the debt ceiling argument coming up here. the government's going to run out of money at the end of february if something isn't done. do you see more of the same what we saw during this fiscal cliff or is this something better on the horizon. >> wouldn't that be great if i could say yes but i can't say yes. remember when the election ended and it looked like this was going to be an era of compromise. john boehner came out and said of course we want to work with the president. the president said of course we want to work with the public. that was shattered within about 20 minutes after both men said that. and so i don't think we're looking at compromise anywhere, it's really about who can get their way by trying to intimidate the other side more. so democrats not the president but other democrats saying hey here's a way that's not compromise. we're going to print a coin, a trill undollar coinen dollar coin. think of this sort of establishment republican saying how about a partialual shut down of the government to get what we wa
money, we've got the debt ceiling argument coming up here. the government's going to run out of money at the end of february if something isn't done. do you see more of the same what we saw during this fiscal cliff or is this something better on the horizon. >> wouldn't that be great if i could say yes but i can't say yes. remember when the election ended and it looked like this was going to be an era of compromise. john boehner came out and said of course we want to work with the...
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budget debt the debt ceiling but this also at the same time there seems to be schizophrenia because people don't like the idea of a precious metal like gold being back in the currency but they somehow like the idea of a fan a fantasy platinum coin fixing their debts. problem is this gets a frantic is it madness or does this tell you yes it's actually stupidity. and i'm not saying that mr bernanke and whoever it was that came up with this ridiculous idea has a low i.q. that's not the case i'm defining stupidity as an unwitting tendency to self-destruction and. the idea of creating a trillion dollar coin is really to get around the debt limits and things like that which are all a charade anyway what's happening is that the u.s. government is spending well it depends on how you do your accounting with accrual accounting or cash accounting but they're running deficits of between a trillion and a half for a five trillion dollars per year if you use a cruel accounting. so they're going to be printing up lots of money and whether they do it by creating a trillion dollar koreans. or not it'
budget debt the debt ceiling but this also at the same time there seems to be schizophrenia because people don't like the idea of a precious metal like gold being back in the currency but they somehow like the idea of a fan a fantasy platinum coin fixing their debts. problem is this gets a frantic is it madness or does this tell you yes it's actually stupidity. and i'm not saying that mr bernanke and whoever it was that came up with this ridiculous idea has a low i.q. that's not the case i'm...
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this is about doing the debt ceiling about paying the debt. it has nothing to do with the sequester. he didn't talk about them together. he talked about them separately. in fact, that's where the negotiating will happen. he said to congress we'll have to figure out a way not to increase deficit. it will have to come with spending cuts. >> cenk: more austerity, i wouldn't do any more of it. but he also talked about guns. >> he was asked about guns. i think what we'll hear him talk about hear here now but 836 people now since the newtown tragedy has died. that's almost as if we have woken up for 32 days and there was a nu town every single day. >> cenk: every time we update it i get surprised. oh, my god, it's been that many more and it's insanity. i think a great majority of the american people are on to it. it is a majority, 52% of americans are now more supportive of gun control since newtown. we're making progress, of course it depends on what is in it. >> he has the option and he's talking about using the executive order. here is the presid
this is about doing the debt ceiling about paying the debt. it has nothing to do with the sequester. he didn't talk about them together. he talked about them separately. in fact, that's where the negotiating will happen. he said to congress we'll have to figure out a way not to increase deficit. it will have to come with spending cuts. >> cenk: more austerity, i wouldn't do any more of it. but he also talked about guns. >> he was asked about guns. i think what we'll hear him talk...
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also, the next fight in washington will be over the debt ceiling. can president obama end this craziness and bypass congress altogether? we'll talk about the out of the box solutions and whether they would work. >>> and, finally, this is the signature of the man who might be the next treasury secretary. we'll look back through history to see if there's any loopy president. speaking of secretaries of the treasury three former holders of the office and many other statesmen and women offering advice to the president on a new gps special tonight "memo to the president, road map for a second term." tonight at 8:00 p.m. and 11:00 p.m. eastern and pacific. >>> first, here's my take. chuck hagel's nomination as america's next secretary of defense has drawn fire from people who say he's outside of the main stream. in fact, he's a pretty straight forward, traditional republican on most issues with a reluctance to go to war, born of knowledge and experience. where hagel does appear out of the mainstream in washington's world of group think is on iran. which i
also, the next fight in washington will be over the debt ceiling. can president obama end this craziness and bypass congress altogether? we'll talk about the out of the box solutions and whether they would work. >>> and, finally, this is the signature of the man who might be the next treasury secretary. we'll look back through history to see if there's any loopy president. speaking of secretaries of the treasury three former holders of the office and many other statesmen and women...
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he wants to conduct those talks separately from the gop to raise the debt ceiling. he hopes by doing so he can avert a first ever national default. >> kelly wright live in washington. thank you. >>> it is time to take a look at who is talking. another big battle on capitol hill of course. the gun control debate. joe biden announced his task force regulations. we are hearing from one congressman who has a personal connection to this. >> despite the mash shoot something representative barber says he still supports the second mainedment. >> i feel very strongly that the second amendment should be protected and the supreme court has ruled and there's no question it is a right that all americans have a right to bear arms or have a rifle for that matter. but the issue of the magazines which were used in the shooting in tucson in january of 2011 that's one that we need to take a hard look at. the shooter in our case had 30 bullets in the magazine one more in the chamber in less than 45 seconds 19 people were down and 6 were killed. i saw my boss shot through the head i saw
he wants to conduct those talks separately from the gop to raise the debt ceiling. he hopes by doing so he can avert a first ever national default. >> kelly wright live in washington. thank you. >>> it is time to take a look at who is talking. another big battle on capitol hill of course. the gun control debate. joe biden announced his task force regulations. we are hearing from one congressman who has a personal connection to this. >> despite the mash shoot something...
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but his first priority is getting congress to increase the nation's debt ceiling at that talk about cutting the debt. that's where some think he will try to cement his legacy. >> he's going to try to get our long term in thailand obligations under control and set us on a new fiscal course. >> the president's first foreign-policy priority last term was israeli-palestinian peace. it's unlikely to take the top spot the second time, where most expect the president's focus to be on iran. >> it's hard to believe if we can't get a meaningful negotiation within the next two years that you will not have it read capable of producing a nuclear weapons. then, the u.s. has the choice in its negotiations -- will the solution be containment or is it going to be a preventive strike? >> as he takes the oath again, he will do it with the experience of that presidencies are often formed by crises that happened outside of their control. he will know all folksy brought here last i did not change washington. he will try something -- you have to try something new if you want to accomplish his ambitious agenda thi
but his first priority is getting congress to increase the nation's debt ceiling at that talk about cutting the debt. that's where some think he will try to cement his legacy. >> he's going to try to get our long term in thailand obligations under control and set us on a new fiscal course. >> the president's first foreign-policy priority last term was israeli-palestinian peace. it's unlikely to take the top spot the second time, where most expect the president's focus to be on iran....
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obama voted against increasing the debt ceiling. i find it weeferd that his allies, are saying that the people who do that are bads. we have an interesting time coming up. in the next few weeks in the united states, we have the debt ceiling will get to the point of default. we have the tennessee continuing resolution under which the government is running, expires march 28. the sequestration which was put off two months. if i were at the level of a dictator here, i would take the debt ceiling and push it off to say, june 30. you can't fight all three at the same time. a., i believe the democrats are as scared of the sequestration as the republicans are. there is nothing you can cut on the debt ceiling you can't cut on the continuing resolution. so i would say, mr. president, we are going to put the debt ceiling off to june 30. let me tell you why. between now and then, we are going on cut $3 trillion, $4 trillion -- whatever it is on the continuing resolution and the sequestration. if you stop us from doing that, you are going to put
obama voted against increasing the debt ceiling. i find it weeferd that his allies, are saying that the people who do that are bads. we have an interesting time coming up. in the next few weeks in the united states, we have the debt ceiling will get to the point of default. we have the tennessee continuing resolution under which the government is running, expires march 28. the sequestration which was put off two months. if i were at the level of a dictator here, i would take the debt ceiling...
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ceiling. in a statement, senate minority leader mitch mcconnell says the debted limit is the time to get on reducing spending. gun control is also an issue. >> responsible gun owners, people who have a gun for protection, for hunting, for sportsmanship, uhm, they don't have anything to worry about. >> reporter: the national rifle association has already made clear, it has enough support in congress to block legislation that restricts gun ownership. >> i would say that the likelihood is that they are not going to be able to get an assault weapons ban through this congress. >> reporter: moderate lawmakers say there is a better chance of passing laws that limit the number of bullets in ammunition magazines and improve background checks. vice president joe biden is meeting with house members today about gun control. the president said he would give details from the gun violence task force sometime later this week. at the white house, danielle nottingham, cbs 5. >>> the 16-year-old who opened fire
ceiling. in a statement, senate minority leader mitch mcconnell says the debted limit is the time to get on reducing spending. gun control is also an issue. >> responsible gun owners, people who have a gun for protection, for hunting, for sportsmanship, uhm, they don't have anything to worry about. >> reporter: the national rifle association has already made clear, it has enough support in congress to block legislation that restricts gun ownership. >> i would say that the...
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rid of the debt ceiling. most countries don't have a debt ceiling. you still need votes from congress to authorize spending. you couldn't just borrow willy nilly anyway. the simple fact is the debt ceiling is the one time in the legislative process where you actually get a bill. everyone having all this contest of whose analogy is right, whether it's a family with a budget, whether it's this. or that, whether it's dining and dashing as the president likes to say. the debt ceiling is the moment you get the credit card bill and it's the only moment. and if you can't have a sort of reckoning about your spending habits when you see your credit card bill you're never going to have that reckoning. i'm in favor of it. i'm in favor of any speed bumps towards more spending and this is as good as any. jon: the president was talking about it at his news conference the other day. i want to play something that he had to say and get your reaction. >> if congressional republicans refuse to pay america's bills on time, socia
rid of the debt ceiling. most countries don't have a debt ceiling. you still need votes from congress to authorize spending. you couldn't just borrow willy nilly anyway. the simple fact is the debt ceiling is the one time in the legislative process where you actually get a bill. everyone having all this contest of whose analogy is right, whether it's a family with a budget, whether it's this. or that, whether it's dining and dashing as the president likes to say. the debt ceiling is the moment...
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it would not surprise me that he does raise the debt ceiling. the president alone spent over $1 billion last year just to himself. when does it stop? obviously he has never had a checkbook. i get a bill, i pay it. why do they just keep putting money out, putting money out, not take care of what they're doing doing, not realizing what they're doing? host: they give for the call. this from twitter -- the focus on the 14th amendment, section four, basically says that the public debt, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions etc., shall not be questioned. caller: good morning. yes, he does have that right. in classic peanuts, she says to charlie brown, i think we have been stuck with a used year, instead of a new year. last week at the archives, they had a documentary about the conversation with the president from 1962. president kennedy. he deals -- it was very similar to what we hear arguments now about how -- it was really excellent view. an excellent conversation. how he has to deal with the congress. and his -- this c
it would not surprise me that he does raise the debt ceiling. the president alone spent over $1 billion last year just to himself. when does it stop? obviously he has never had a checkbook. i get a bill, i pay it. why do they just keep putting money out, putting money out, not take care of what they're doing doing, not realizing what they're doing? host: they give for the call. this from twitter -- the focus on the 14th amendment, section four, basically says that the public debt, authorized by...
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ceiling and your own history on the debt ceiling. >> getting votes for the debt ceiling are always difficult and bulge nets this town are always difficult. this is the united states of america, major. we can't manage our affairs in such a way that we pay our bills and we provide some certainty in terms of how we may our bills. if we want to have a conversation about how to redust our deficit let's have that. we've been having that nor the last two years. we just had an entire campaign about it. by the way the american people agreed with me that we should reduce our deficits in a balanced way that takes into account the need for us to grow this economy. martha: bob beckel is former democratic campaign manager and cohost of the five. mary katherine ham is editor at large and fox news contributor. why do you think it was so testy yesterday? >> obama's best form is not necessarily a press conference which is why he does than do many of them. i which he was testy for one real reason. the republicans trying to take the full faith and crucify the united states currency and putting it at fist being.
ceiling and your own history on the debt ceiling. >> getting votes for the debt ceiling are always difficult and bulge nets this town are always difficult. this is the united states of america, major. we can't manage our affairs in such a way that we pay our bills and we provide some certainty in terms of how we may our bills. if we want to have a conversation about how to redust our deficit let's have that. we've been having that nor the last two years. we just had an entire campaign...
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i will not negotiate over the debt ceiling. congress has to do its job. >> woodruff: when it comes to the republicans jake sherman, you've been talking to some of the folks on the hill. they were digging in their heels just as much as the president was. what was their reaction? >> i think they have... they see this situation as three big issues: the government funding issue. that runs dry at the end of march. the debt ceiling. and these automatic spending cuts that take hold at the beginning of march. they want to use these opportunities. they don't think it's so bad to shut down the government or to default on the debt. they are even skeptical of the administration's estimates of when that will happen. so they see themselves really having very little leverage besides doing something which a lot of americans would consider extreme which is defaulting on the debt or shutting down the government. now i think it's virtually impossible that speaker john boehner will raise the debt ceiling without commensurate spending cuts. he's wa
i will not negotiate over the debt ceiling. congress has to do its job. >> woodruff: when it comes to the republicans jake sherman, you've been talking to some of the folks on the hill. they were digging in their heels just as much as the president was. what was their reaction? >> i think they have... they see this situation as three big issues: the government funding issue. that runs dry at the end of march. the debt ceiling. and these automatic spending cuts that take hold at the...
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congress has just weeks to increase our debt ceiling. fitch, a leading credit ratings agency, says a repeat of the 2011 debt limit crisis would spark a formal review of our country's aaa rating. that could mean a downgrade by them. now you might remember, s&p, a different agency, already downgraded our country in 2011. that was the first time in our history that that happened. the president is taking a hard-line stand, issuing a warning of his own to the gop. >> we have to pay our bills. congress has two choices here. we can act responsibly and pay america's bills. or they can act irresponsibly and put america through another economic crisis. but they will not collect a ransom in exchange for not crashing the american economy. jenna: republicans like congressman jason chaffetz blasting back against the president. >> i think the president was terribly irresponsible today. to say he will not talk about it because he is above it, but blame all of congress, in part congress helped create this problem but we are going to hear to solve this pr
congress has just weeks to increase our debt ceiling. fitch, a leading credit ratings agency, says a repeat of the 2011 debt limit crisis would spark a formal review of our country's aaa rating. that could mean a downgrade by them. now you might remember, s&p, a different agency, already downgraded our country in 2011. that was the first time in our history that that happened. the president is taking a hard-line stand, issuing a warning of his own to the gop. >> we have to pay our...
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>> reporter: house speaker john boehner says the american do not support raising the debt ceiling without cutting spending at the same time. boehner calls the debt an anchor on our economy. here's the leading senate republican, making his point. >> it's sort of like you have a kid who exceeds the credit card limit. you tear up the credit card, but you look at the spending. the republicans are willing to pay for past bills. these are about future bills. the president is missing the point that we are on an unsustainable path. >> reporter: portman acknowledges the need to raise the debt ceiling, but he supports the context of getting a handle on the spenning. >> shepard: this is disaster relief for victims of super storm sand gee right. we have had plenty of lawmakers saying we need to get a handle on government spending, but not when people are waiting for major disaster relief money. a key new jersey democrat is saying people from new york, new jersey and connecticut pay their fair share. three state, 16% of the taxes. you ask the question: who suffered because of super storm sandy? certai
>> reporter: house speaker john boehner says the american do not support raising the debt ceiling without cutting spending at the same time. boehner calls the debt an anchor on our economy. here's the leading senate republican, making his point. >> it's sort of like you have a kid who exceeds the credit card limit. you tear up the credit card, but you look at the spending. the republicans are willing to pay for past bills. these are about future bills. the president is missing the...
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debt, it would join standard and poor's, which took that action in 2011 during the last debt ceiling debate. the u.s. house moved to pass a hurricane sandy relief bill this evening. $17 billion would go for immediate recovery in the affected northeastern states. another $33 billion is for long- term spending. some republicans argued that much of the money isn't for emergency relief at all. california's tom mcclintock called for stripping that funding out. >> according to the congressional budget office, more than 90% of this money won't even be spent this year. that's not emergency relief. $16 billion is to quintuple the size of the community development block grant program. that's the slush fund that pays for such dubious projects as doggie day care centers and doesn't even have to be spent in the hurricane area. >> sreenivasan: other republican >> sreenivasan: other republicans joined with most democrats to reject offsetting spending cuts. instead, lawmakers from the northeast urged the house to pass the storm aid now. new york democrat hakeen jeffries said it's already taken too l
debt, it would join standard and poor's, which took that action in 2011 during the last debt ceiling debate. the u.s. house moved to pass a hurricane sandy relief bill this evening. $17 billion would go for immediate recovery in the affected northeastern states. another $33 billion is for long- term spending. some republicans argued that much of the money isn't for emergency relief at all. california's tom mcclintock called for stripping that funding out. >> according to the congressional...
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ceiling before and they want to threaten it to stop programs the constitution says that the president united states can and must pay the debt of the united states that you shall not challenge the debt of the united states and paying the bills that is a non issue veronica i mean. veronica invited me thanks veronica other than that of the nine are you going to have to end i don't know anything under three certainly on two things obama has many challenges to face in his second term and one of them probably the biggest are the republicans robert wiener live with us on the line from washington thanks for that thanks so much. now a train journey took a bizarre twist in rural russia this week on mt survived after falling out of a carriage but that's not it he was barely dressed for a night in freezing siberian forest earlier tom barton told me how the man managed to make it out of the woods alive. forty two for larry malcolm of who here is a long haul lorry driver was one of the passengers on this train pretty clocking its way through the forest in russia's far east during the night he goes
ceiling before and they want to threaten it to stop programs the constitution says that the president united states can and must pay the debt of the united states that you shall not challenge the debt of the united states and paying the bills that is a non issue veronica i mean. veronica invited me thanks veronica other than that of the nine are you going to have to end i don't know anything under three certainly on two things obama has many challenges to face in his second term and one of them...
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debt ceiling. >> narrator: early on, republican freshmen attended orientation sessions. republican strategist frank luntz ran one of them. >> and i asked the question, how many of you are going to vote for the debt ceiling? and only three or four of them raised their hands. and i said, if you vote for the debt ceiling, the people who put you in office are going to knock you out. >> if you vote for the debt ceiling, you're voting for your own death certificate, political death certificate. >> narrator: for his part, the president decided to try something new: personal politics. he figured he could connect to the republican leader, john boehner. >> obama told his staff, john boehner is a country club republican, a golf-playing, cigarette smoking deal-maker. >> narrator: the president invited boehner to play golf with him at andrews air force base. >> and afterward, they go back to the clubhouse, and they're having a drink; there's a photo op. and it's at that point when boehner says to the president, "hey, you know, on this debt ceiling stuff, we ought to do something big.
debt ceiling. >> narrator: early on, republican freshmen attended orientation sessions. republican strategist frank luntz ran one of them. >> and i asked the question, how many of you are going to vote for the debt ceiling? and only three or four of them raised their hands. and i said, if you vote for the debt ceiling, the people who put you in office are going to knock you out. >> if you vote for the debt ceiling, you're voting for your own death certificate, political death...